To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.

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    You are focused on a filibuster proof majority. It only takes 51 votes to eliminate the filibuster. Democrats never go to the center to find votes, they abandoned the center years ago knowing they dont need to court their vote. They keep courting further and further to the right, and get no where doing it. Not to long ago they were courting the Nicki Haley voters.

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      I’m not focused on filibuster proof, I gave both. If anything I focused on simple majority.

      4 years of the last 24 years (simple majority, not filibuster) and you want to suggest they never have to go to the center to find voters? How does that math work out? They basically lost 20 of the last 24 years. That’s exactly why they have to go to the center to find voters. And why they have to compromise during those 20 years.

      Right, center, for this discussion whatever you want to call it, that’s the general direction they have to go. Because they lose all the fucking time. They lose consistently. Because the left never shows up to vote.

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          I’m saying if you want anything on the left, you need to give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories.

          Oh should we discuss capitalism?

          Whether you like it or not it’s capitalism. You have a choice between 1) capitalism that’s free for all, fuck the workers, fuck the consumers, fuck the Earth, disband the EPA, OSHA, FTC, etc. or 2) capitalism that’s regulated, with environmental protection, worker protections, minimum wages, workplace standards, product regulations, etc. You can say those regulations aren’t strong enough, but how do we get stronger regulations? The choice should be obvious.

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            That would still be a resounding no. We’ve tried it your way for decades and you people decided that an old senile POS with a racist past was the best option. There is no longer any credibility on good decisions remaining in liberals.

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              Then your vote is a resounding no to regulation. Make no excuses about it, that’s what you’re voting for.

              *Oh and btw for decades. Have you? Dems have had control of all 3 (house of reps, senate, and presidency) for 6 years of the last 44 years. That’s right, 6 pathetic years out of 44 fucking years. So no, you haven’t tried for decades. You’ve tried nothing and are all out of ideas.

              **And I really should cover what he’s done since you’re intent on attacking: Green energy, EV investment, union empowerment, student debt forgiveness, marijuana rescheduling and pardons, infrastructure, drug price controls, Chips act, PACT act, etc etc etc. Non-competes banned (by FTC along ‘party lines’). Pardoning people kicked out for being gay. Supporting Ukraine. Fucking great President.

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                  They get control when they go to the center to find votes. So guess what happens? They go to the center voter, and they cater to the center voter. And you’re surprised that they go to the center?

                  So. What do you do as the left voter that wants them to move left? You vote for them. You give them consistent and overwhelming victories. Then they have the option to actually move to the left.