To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.

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    If you want the Dems to move left, then they need to win. Because everytime they lose they go to the center to find votes. And that’s where they find them.

    Dems have had all 3 of house of reps, Senate, and presidency for only 4 of the last 24 years. Or 6 years of the last 32 years. Or 6 years of the last 44 years. And you’re amazed that they go to the center to find voters? They need to. Because the left never shows up to vote as evidenced by your comment. And everytime they lose, like they’ve lost for 20 of the last 24 years, they go to the center to find votes.

    You want to move the Overton window? You want things to move left? You do that by giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Not a measly 4 years every 24 years.

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            If you want far left policy then you have to vote for a little bit left first. (I’ll use those terms to get the point across.)

            AKA: You have to walk before you run.

            This is exactly what the GOP did, they had to vote for decades before getting what they wanted: Overturning Roe.

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              If you want, say, far left voters to vote, you have to do far left policy say, a little bit left first. It’s simple dialectics.

              People didn’t vote for Bernie Sanders because they wanted center-right policies. They voted for far-left policies.

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                That’s what I’m getting at. You aren’t going to get far left policy just out of the blue. Not going to happen. It simply won’t.

                If you want far left policy, then you have to vote for a little (to the power of 3) left first. When that wins, then you can vote for a little (to the power of 2) left. When that wins, then you get to vote for a little (to the power of 1) left.

                See how this goes?

                This is why there’s so many saying like this: Walk before you run. Tip your toes in before you take the plunge. Baby steps. Etc, etc, etc.

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                    Is your link third party stuff? (I’m not going to read right now). Third party or otherwise, how’d not voting for Dems work out? Imagine what the situation would be if Gore had won. Yeah it’d be a lot further left. Think about what the situation would be if Hillary had won. Yeah it’d be a lot further left. Instead we got Trump and now we’re looking at a very real chance of disbanding the EPA, FTC, etc.

                    s a political party supposed to serve the people, o

                    If you want them to serve you the leftist, guess fucking what, then leftists need to show up to vote. No one is going to cater to leftists that don’t show up to vote. Nope. They are going to go to the center to find the voters that do show up. And a center voter is worth double, because it’s a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party.

                    If you want to be courted, you have to actually show up. And if you try to play mexican standoff, guess what, you’re going to lose. They’re going to go to the center to find voters. We’ve seen this time and time again.