• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    You were doing okay until the genocide thing. I doubt the “genocide” even enters into it for most independent voters.

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      4 months ago

      I think it’s foolish to chase “independent” voters (which I assume you’re saying to mean the mythical “moderate”). What Biden is fighting is apathy.

      Joe Biden being unwilling to call out the genocide in Palestine absolutely drives apathy among voters who feel disenfranchised by the current two party system.

      If the Democrats truly cared about winning elections, they’d court the left and drive voter engagement. If we drive up turnout, the Democrats win every time, even with the ridiculously broken electoral college.

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        4 months ago

        None of those apathetic voters ever have an answer to how Trump will be better for the Palestinians.

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          4 months ago

          Blaming the voters for being apathetic when the party hasn’t given them a reason to be excited sure does seem to be in vogue among Democrat apologists.

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        4 months ago

        Those apathetic voters that would vote for donnie or not vote at all, and all over the “genocide joe” thing, should give pause and ask themselves how they are helping the situation by assisting donnie.

        As for the independent voters, I’m talking about the low-information voters for the most part in this instance. The kind of people deeply influenced by optics. Optics like donnie getting nearly killed, then raising his fist for a photo op. Or optics like #BidenSoOld, Biden cancelling a speech for Covid, Biden bombing at a debate. I’m not even sure most of these people know or remember that Gaza is happening. Just like when Biden was going on about NATO. Again, it’s doubtful these low-information voters care much about NATO. I doubt even high-information voters place NATO as their number one concern…

        (In other cases, when I say independent voters, I am usually referring to what the Republicans typically call themselves when they don’t want to admit they are voting for tools like Bush and donnie)

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          I have literally NEVER, not once, ever anywhere, seen someone on the left who dislikes joes stance on genocide, decide the only logical thing to do is vote Biden. That’s a fucking joke and you’re an idiot for believing anyone who says that is actually left. Anyone who says that is playing pretend on the internet, likely for money.

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            4 months ago

            Um, what? What do they propose, then? Throwing their vote away so that donnie gets in power? How is that helping?

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              4 months ago

              Yes. That’s it. They don’t want to vote for genocide, and wrongly believe that choosing inaction absolves them of responsibility.

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                4 months ago

                Well, they are not entirely inactive - they’ll tell you, at every opportunity, just how MORALLY SUPERIOR they are to “centrists”, “liberals”, etc…