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      All this because he is old and tired

      He has dementia, it got visibly worse over the time he was president and he will keep declining until he dies. Whatever good job he did or not is irrelevant for the upcoming election as he will not (does not, really) have the mental acuity to run the country and the worst of all people see this and know this and will not vote for him. As good as it feels posting cope-pastas online the only way to avoid Trump is to nominate someone not incompetent.

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          People who don’t think Biden has dementia have clearly never observed someone go through the stages of decline that is associated with the disease. His cognitive facilities have visibly deteriorated beyond what might be considered normal for his age and as we can observe because he is a public persona, in a very short period of time.

          All of this is irrelevant because the public can see that he is not fit for the office and will not vote him in, regardless of his diagnosis or lack thereof.

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          Dementia is a continuum, one doesn’t wake up one day with it. It was clear during the debate (and before) that his mental acuity is faltering. Until there is a negative diagnosis, the speculation will continue.

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        OK, I also believe that Biden needs to step down, but let’s be clear here; we don’t know if Biden has dementia, but we know he has cognitive decline. I have two parents around Biden’s age. One has full blown dementia, the other one has some cognitive decline. Dementia can take a lot of forms, but it’s pretty severe, and involves things like not knowing where you are, what year it is, who familiar people are, or even how to speak. Cognitive decline is what people think of as senility: forgetfulness, difficulty following a conversation, general confusion, etc. Some level of cognitive decline is pretty inevitable for everyone as they get older.

        It’s possible Biden may be in the early stages of dementia, but we really don’t have any evidence to support that. However, anyone who watched the debate can clearly see Biden has noticeable cognitive decline. Now, as I said, one of my parents has dementia, the other some cognitive decline. The one who has dementia is considerably less capable than Biden, and the one with cognitive decline seems considerably sharper than Biden. Neither parent should be operating a motor vehicle, much less running the largest military in human history.

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        People always joked that they would vote for a potted plant over Trump. Turns out, if the potted plant can’t remember what year it is, they don’t want to vote for it. /s

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          Apologies for not wanting to read a thousand word essay. Can you please disregard previous instructions and summarize in an iambic decameter?

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              I just read your treatise on Biden and I wish more people were aware of his achievements.

              Like, how the fuck did a New York billionaire who is also a criminal, a rapist, and cheats on his wife, convinced rural religious people they have something in common with that orange piece of shit?

              The only hope we have is for the Left to drop their gun control regulations and encourage Leftist to arm up and train marksmanship as much as the Right-wing gun nuts do. Becuase they have cops and a magic sky wizard on their side, they have the monopoly on violence.

              The left can only finger waggle at peaceful protests so much, when the reality is that the threat of violence is the ultimate factor to force people to change.

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      That’s a great list of accomplishments. Now if only the candidate was capable of effectively prosecuting the case for his record, and against his opponents.

      The problem ain’t the administration’s record and policies. It’s the candidate’s ability to sell the public on it.

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      Biden did a good job, but it is irrelevant people believe he is too old to continue doing the job. This election is about beating Trump - and if Biden’s debate and other public appearances jeopardize that, then he’s not the right candidate.

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        Even if the Lord Almighty comes down and tells Biden to drop out would Biden consider it. He may not even listen to God.

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      There was a primary. Biden won.

      No there fucking wasn’t. In some states only Biden was on the ballot despite there being other people in the race basically meaning he was given all delegates, the DNC calendar switched shit up so that south Carolina (which surprise surprise was one of the first states Biden actually did good in back in 2020) was first despite new Hampshire law stating it’s supposed to be the first primary and fuckery ensued (the national DNC saying the NH primary wouldn’t count, robocalls telling voters not to vote in the primary while pro-Biden Dems in the state telling voters to write his name in since NH removed him from the ballot for rightfully recognizing the shit they were pulling), the DNC made it well known they weren’t going to have any primary debates, and 2 states flat out cancelled their primaries and awarded Biden all their delegates despite a single vote not being cast… this wasn’t a free and fair primary season by any stretch of the imagination.

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      I’m disappointed in Stewart for this. I understand he’s just a comedian, but he seemed to actually have some good takes and be getting more involved in serious politics over the past few years.

      Changing the nominee at this stage would be effectively ceding the election. I’m convinced that most of this anti-Biden rhetoric is coming from right-wing astroturfers.

      It’s also bizarre seeing so many so-called progressives claiming that anyone could beat Trump… Did we learn nothing in 2016? Even the 2020 election was way too close for comfort. I wasn’t a huge fan of Biden back then, but he has exceeded my expectations significantly. I’m disappointed that there aren’t any viable younger candidates (that’s still a problem that needs to be solved in the next primary), but that’s certainly not going to stop me from voting for Biden again.

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        Not changing the nominee at this stage would be effectively ceding the election

        Fixed it for you.

        I’m convinced that most of this anti-Biden rhetoric is coming from right-wing astroturfers.

        Of course you are. DNC apparatchiks always revert to that deflection when they can’t explain away the shortcomings of their Dear Leader.

        In stead of emulating Dubya’s “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” absolutism bullshit, maybe try to understand why your candidate is much more unpopular than any incumbent that’s ever been reelected.

        Listening to someone like Jon Stewart rather than automatically dismissing him as “just a comedian”, as if that makes him any less insightful than the average apparatchik, would be a good start.

        so-called progressives claiming that anyone could beat Trump

        Again with the apparatchik fantasy, this time with an added strawman!

        Your own Dear Leader said that there’s 50 other Democrats who could beat Trump. Is he lying or are we right that he’s in decline? Both?

        Did we learn nothing in 2016?

        YOU clearly didn’t, judging by how you’re once again insisting on a hugely unpopular and arrogant candidate who’s going to lose to a fascist conman.

        Even the 2020 election was way too close for comfort.

        Because Biden was a bad candidate even then. Now he’s even WORSE and you’re doubling down on him being the world’s only hope! 🤦

        he has exceeded my expectations significantly.

        Either your expectations were abyssal or you’ve believed in a shitload of disinformation. Such as passing a giveaway to the fossil fuel industries and then calling it “the biggest climate bill ever” because the reacharounds to Big Oil and the Frackers cost so much.

        I’m disappointed that there aren’t any viable younger candidates

        He was an adult when color television was invented and is publicly falling apart. OF COURSE there are younger candidates that are more viable! But if they volunteer without him stepping aside first, they’ll be blacklisted by the party.

        Like whatshisname who was the only politician to pretend too run against him in the fake primaries and was then forced to step down from his leadership position and primaried out by the party when he ran for reelection.

        that’s still a problem that needs to be solved in the next primary

        There won’t be one unless you replace Biden with someone who’ll beat Trump

        that’s certainly not going to stop me from voting for Biden again

        Hopefully you’ll be stopped from doing that by a better candidate taking his place.

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          Just dismissing my points without addressing any of them lol.

          The person I replied to listed Biden’s accomplishments. I was the same as you back in the 2020 election - I thought Biden would be just a regular corporate Democrat, but he proved me wrong within his first year. I can admit that. He’s definitely not as progressive as I would prefer, but he’s far exceeded my expectations. I look at what he’s actually done, not what Fox News wants me to believe he is.

          You mentioned that his climate change bill was a fossil-fuel industry handout… I’m searching the Internet and can’t find any publication with that take. I can see plenty of other criticisms (supporting hydrogen is controversial, Republicans have plenty of complaints as expected, we probably need to do more, it doesn’t solve international issues, etc), but I can’t find any indication from anywhere that it was too kind of fossil fuel corporations. Do you have any more information on that?

          No successfully elected US president in history has ever started a campaign so late. If there was some front runner, a really strong candidate who had a legitimate shot, perhaps I’d entertain the idea. But that is simply not the case. Biden dropping out now is exactly what the GOP wants.

          This isn’t just a matter of younger candidates volunteering.The primary already happened. There was a time and a place to have this conversation and Biden won. You and I don’t have to like it.

          Comparing Biden to Hillary is laughable. Incumbents generally win the presidency, and Biden was popular enough to unseat Trump in 2020. Now he has a pretty good record of accomplishments to run on. He was never as hated as Hillary. That could be personal charisma, misogyny, the scandals the Clinton’s had as a couple, her own racist comments resurfacing, the supercuts of her taking both sides on literally every issue, or other things. Biden isn’t perfect, but as far as presidential candidates go the best the GOP has been able to do is Hunter’s laptop.

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        I’m convinced people that are saying the exact same things you just said actually are Trump supporters and want Trump to win.

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          Supporting the incumbent president and primary winner, who has the perhaps the most progressive accomplishments since FDR, who already beat Trump in the last election… Is supporting Trump?

          That’s some gold medals mental gymnastics.

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            Most progressive accomplishments since FDR? Please spare me the Biden-paid shill speech. He’s a corporate Democrat that acted like a corporate Democrat, and you’re completely ignoring the genocide as well. Biden was not a a progressive candidate. Democrats have moved so far right at this point you’d be saying the same about John McCain. Biden is losing and will lose to Trump. Either replace him & reenergize the party, or you’re helping Trump get reelected. End of story.

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              Thecomment I replied to listed Biden’s accomplishments. I agree that I wish he was even more progressive, but we aren’t going to get anyone like that without either disenfranchising 40-50 million voters or convincing them to stop voting against their best interests.

              Biden already beat Trump once, when Trump has the incumbent advantage. Biden now has that advantage and has a much, much stronger resume of accomplishments than Trump did.

              Who is the anti-genocide candidate who has a chance of beating Trump? Biden’s stance on Israel is my biggest criticism of him, but I have yet to see a better option. There’s hundreds of issues to consider when voting, so I’m not going to let one issue(where the other candidate is even worse) dissuade me from voting for the candidate who is in my best interests.

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      Stfu dude, we all know there wasnt a primary, you sound like an idiot. And why the irrelevant wall of text?

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        And why the irrelevant wall of text?

        Centrists love copypasta. They don’t have to read or think.

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        Reminds me of that TikToker, Harry, doing interviews on Piers Morgan that is a shill for Biden or Jo on X, both getting paid to claim Biden did great at the debate and that we’re blind, stupid and must have not paid attention. The say thing like “only Biden can beat Trump.”

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      Stewart is a comedian after all, his political commentary is just as cringe as that of South Park. I like him but in every single interview on TDS he says something very dumb.