Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

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    “i am trump and i aprove of this message”

    You want to have genocide And fascism? Because this is how you get genocide and fascism.

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          oh so there isn’t a genocide? the United States doesn’t have one of the most proportionally incarcerated populations in the world? our police didn’t drive a tank to a college campus?

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            So here is a Trump quote about from a few days ago about Israels war on Hamas:

            They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.

            So he actually wants Israel to speed up it’s military operation and win.

            As you can see, the US foreign policy position on Israel has absolutly nothing to do with with party or president. In fact, Trump is arguably more pro-Israel. He was also the one that moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, which was a big diplomatic “fuck you” for Palestinians.

            the United States doesn’t have one of the most proportionally incarcerated populations in the world? our police didn’t drive a tank to a college campus?

            Both of these have been true for decades and have nothing to do with Biden, just stupid whataboutism.

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      Just a reminder: voting for the lesser of two evils has not ever resulted in the Democratic party stopping their march to the extreme right right alongside the GOP, to the point now that in order to vote for the Democratic nominee one must accept that their vote goes to supporting a genocide.

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        Just a reminder: voting for the lesser of two evils has not ever resulted in the Democratic party stopping their march to the extreme right right alongside the GOP, to the point now that in order to vote for the Democratic nominee one must accept that their vote goes to supporting a genocide.

        “Their march to the extreme far right”

        Tell me you don’t know history, or remember even 10 years ago, without telling me you don’t know history or remember 10 years ago.

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    I will never vote for Joe Biden again. That decision was made many years ago and has nothing to do with his vile actions over the past few years.

    If you feel like maybe you don’t wanna vote for Biden either, because he’s a genocidare or because he gave up on getting roe back or because he literally just came out and said the campus protests are wrong and he won’t change his mind, join me and cast a ballot for PSL at the presidential level instead.

    Send a clear message that when the democrats run genocide Joe they won’t get your vote.

    And more importantly, go get chummy with your neighbors. Make sure you have a few weeks worth of food in the pantry, get your finances straightened out, stay hydrated and keep some water in rotation.

    No one knows what we’re facing in the future, but you can be a stabilizing force for yourself and those around you no matter what it is.

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        If you cared about that you’d be pressuring the democrats to run someone else.

        If you believed it was a real threat you wouldn’t be trying to shame and browbeat people into casting a ballot for the democrats vile running dog and preparing to endure a time of upheaval instead.

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          If you cared about that you’d be pressuring the democrats to run someone else.

          Who says I’m not?

          If you believed it was a real threat you wouldn’t be trying to shame and browbeat people into casting a ballot for the democrats vile running dog and preparing to endure a time of upheaval instead.

          And if you were a decent person you’d hold your nose and vote against the obvious worse choice.

          But you both-sidesers just want to pat yourselves on the back.

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            I already said I won’t vote for Joe Biden. Nothing you say will ever convince me and the only effect your replies can have is on third party readers of them.

            It doesn’t make me a bad person that there’s a bridge too far for lending my paltry, unimportant political support. Biden crossed that bridge before I even voted for him the first and only time in 2008.

            I will be voting against trump though, since my PSL ballot isn’t gonna be counted for him.

            If you think me and people like me (a group that is growing by the minute as Biden continues to carry water for Zionist fascism) are necessary for a democrat victory and you see that as of the highest importance, join us and add to the pressure the democrats are under to pick a different candidate.

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              And again, from his privileged high horse, does he push the agenda of not voting for Biden and enabling a Trump victory.

              Fuck women’s rights, this is about moral superiority, dear reader!

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                Running Biden enables a trump victory.

                I’m not the one doing that, the democrats are.

                Having a standard that is above genocide isnt an indicator of moral superiority.

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                  Running Biden enables a trump victory.

                  Votes enable or disable a victory. Everything else is abstraction.

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    Sure, you don’t have to do it if you don’t mind fascism and not getting to vote ever again.

    As for everyone who ISN’T a fascism enabler, though? Bit of a moral imperative.

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      Pretty fucking depressing that the anti fascism vote is also the keep supporting genocide vote. It’s a trolley problem but one track only has foreigners tied to it so we’re supposed to cheer for that option I guess

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        One track has Palestinians tied to it, the other track has more Palestinians tied to it, Ukrainians and probably others tied to it, AND American minorities by the bushel.

        If you’re looking for a point in history when there wasn’t someone getting hit by the trolley, you’ll be looking a while. We have to find the choice that is most achievable and least damaging.

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          If you’re looking for a point in history when there wasn’t someone getting hit by the trolley, you’ll be looking a while

          Sounds like I should do what’s best to send a message to the Democrats in an effort to steer them away from being murderous then, since people are going to die either way and there is no winning with this single election. Thanks!

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            Sounds like I should do what’s best to send a message to the Democrats then, since people are going to die either way and there is no winning with this single vote. Thanks!

            “People are going to die either way, so I might as well enable the worse choice!” - Voter in Weimar Germany

            Nice work, good job on murdering as many minorities as you can because… people are going to die anyway, so it may as well be as many as possible?

            And fascist simps like you wonder why you’re disdained by so many.

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              I’m just following your logic and finding the action that has the best long-term effect.

              People are going to die anyway, right? That’s just history, right?

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                Killing as many minorities as possible and ushering in fascism is the best long-term effect in your mind?

                Yeah, that tracks. You keep simping for fascism, bud.

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                  No, turning away the Democrats from having killing as a policy is.

                  As you say, people are going going to die anyway “that’s just reality” and I have to vote for a fascist if I vote for anyone. May as well cast an Uncommitted and punish the party that should be anti-genocide but isn’t currently.

                  (I am one of the minorities that will be targeted by a GOP admin, btw)