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Ministers say move will combat growing concerns about ‘privacy and dignity’ in gender-neutral facilities
Archived version: https://archive.ph/NpgMg
I’m confused. In what way to universal toilets (toilet and sink in one self-contained room) not allow for the biological needs of women? Why are girls in schools getting UTIs because they’re so scared of peeing in universal toilets? Why don’t these work for trans people and NBs?
Is this anything other than just conservatives being transphobic and wanting to keep traditional toilets alive? I feel like I must be missing something here
As an aside...
My dad’s church has just been refurbished with this style of toilet and he is very against them, but he’s also against trans people so…
Most toilet facilities in England have a shared washing up area so in most cases it would be prohibitively expensive to convert older ones to having a basin etc in each stall. Newer buildings tend to build in single person toilets which are then universal. I think the fear for some comes from having shared washing areas.
I think the fear for some comes from having shared washing areas
Fear which is of course based on ridiculous fearmongering from transphobes and completely divorced from reality.
You know how I know you’re a man?
You know how I know you’re a bigot?
Yep! I see zero problems with a woman sharing a small space with strange men.
So yeah, you’re a man or you might have seen a woman’s point of view. Do I get to call you a misogynist?
There’s no problem with privacy and dignity in gender neutral facilities, because it’s for one fucking person at a time.
There ARE bathrooms that are co-ed. I live in San Francisco and I’ve seen them. But it’s very very rare, and I’ve only ever seen them at crowded places like theaters. And there’s 99% of the time additional private bathrooms.
K but I’ve never seen a cinema in the UK with mixed toilets so moot to the UK. Gender neutral here is like a disabled toilet or a small cafe which only has space for a single toilet.
Right. My point was that what conservatives are worried about is exceedingly rare, and in the absolute most liberal place in the country, and it’s even still not a big deal and there are other options
“in the country”
Bruh, their point was you are talking about a different country. I happen to agree with your opinion, but how bathrooms work in Los Angeles has no bearing on the laws in the UK.
So I can’t make a comment with related info? Like the US culture wars aren’t relevant to what laws are being proposed in the UK?
Absolutely post relevant info, I’m saying your audience here doesn’t consider what you posted to be relevant.
If your comments had tied in to the greater anglosphere discussions around trans people or used the examples as a thing to emulate or avoid, that would be relevant.
As they are, your comments just sound like you think of England as an extension of the US or at least you think the lawmakers of England are concerned about bathrooms in California
I’m saying it’s not big deal, and even the most liberal part of the US only has what the conservatives are complaining about in extremely rare circumstances in addition to other options, and it’s also not a big deal. That sounds perfectly relevant