Leftists have never been the majority though so we can’t rely on voting to adress our issues and interests. Last time I saw numbers more Ameicans wanted a party to the right of the Republicans than Americans who wanted a party to the left of Democrats. We’re the absolute political minority yet many of our policies poll higjer than candidates from either party.
Direct action isn’t directly “trying to overthrow the government” It’s trying to improve one’s own life directly, instead of begging the elites to do so for you.
Not voting allows bad actors to take over the government and impose authoritarian rule.
Example: USA and Project 2025
Democrats might be useless and doesn’t do enough to help people, but Republicans are actively trying to make people’s lives worse, not to mention, their climate denialism and disregard for the climate, which its effects could echo throughout the world, since why would other countries try to fix the climate when the most powerful nation in the world (in terms of military strength) doesn’t even care about the climate. Everyone would follow the US’s footsteps and just start ignoring any environmental damage.
Voting doesn’t always bring immediate positive results, but its still important to vote, or else you end up with a society that goes backwards.
I don’t know where you live, but suppose you were a US Citizen living in the US, and saw this shitshow of a fraudster trying to become the country’s leader, would you refuse to vote in the election to allow the wannabe fascist to take over the country and ruin so many lives?
Voting doesn’t cost you anything, and you can still do whatever “direct action” you need to do at the same time, it’s not mutually exclusive.
Voting legitimizes the act of voting being helpful and therefore justifies the millions on manhours wasted on electoralism, which is leaving people practicing it burnt out and disappointed at the end and doesn’t stop society sliding into fascism as is the final stage of capitalism.
You can disagree with me all you want. Voting doesn’t work. It’s a waste of time. Do literally anything else and don’t even waste any time thinking about it.
Lol the “leftist hate leftist” joke is so much funnier considering our disagreement right in the comments below that same meme
Edit: Not to hate or anything, but just disappointed you don’t see things the same way I do, oh well, I hope your one missing vote doesn’t flip any election results. fingers crossed
It’s because voting is useless. Many leftists don’t bother with voting and focus on things that actually work.
It might be useless, but ultimately it’s the only tool that the majority have at their disposal.
Not at all. Direct action is always an option.
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Leftists have never been the majority though so we can’t rely on voting to adress our issues and interests. Last time I saw numbers more Ameicans wanted a party to the right of the Republicans than Americans who wanted a party to the left of Democrats. We’re the absolute political minority yet many of our policies poll higjer than candidates from either party.
Voting typically has a lower risk than trying to overthrow the government. (assuming elections are still somewhat legitimate, that is)
Direct action isn’t directly “trying to overthrow the government” It’s trying to improve one’s own life directly, instead of begging the elites to do so for you.
Oh I read that comment as you saying “don’t bother voting”, which I hope that isn’t what you meant.
It is what I mean. I consider nation-state parliamentary voting useless at best and counter-productive at worst.
Sorry, but I’m gonna have to disagree with that.
Not voting allows bad actors to take over the government and impose authoritarian rule.
Example: USA and Project 2025
Democrats might be useless and doesn’t do enough to help people, but Republicans are actively trying to make people’s lives worse, not to mention, their climate denialism and disregard for the climate, which its effects could echo throughout the world, since why would other countries try to fix the climate when the most powerful nation in the world (in terms of military strength) doesn’t even care about the climate. Everyone would follow the US’s footsteps and just start ignoring any environmental damage.
Voting doesn’t always bring immediate positive results, but its still important to vote, or else you end up with a society that goes backwards.
I don’t know where you live, but suppose you were a US Citizen living in the US, and saw this shitshow of a fraudster trying to become the country’s leader, would you refuse to vote in the election to allow the wannabe fascist to take over the country and ruin so many lives?
Voting doesn’t cost you anything, and you can still do whatever “direct action” you need to do at the same time, it’s not mutually exclusive.
Voting legitimizes the act of voting being helpful and therefore justifies the millions on manhours wasted on electoralism, which is leaving people practicing it burnt out and disappointed at the end and doesn’t stop society sliding into fascism as is the final stage of capitalism.
You can disagree with me all you want. Voting doesn’t work. It’s a waste of time. Do literally anything else and don’t even waste any time thinking about it.
Lol the “leftist hate leftist” joke is so much funnier considering our disagreement right in the comments below that same meme
Edit: Not to hate or anything, but just disappointed you don’t see things the same way I do, oh well, I hope your one missing vote doesn’t flip any election results. fingers crossed