• Ranvier@sopuli.xyz
      12·
      2 months ago

      So the model image you posted above there says it’s more likely that Trump wins the election than it is flipping two heads in a row while flipping a coin. This is saying it’s less likely for Trump to win than Hillary to win, but something that could fairly easily happen still. These aren’t poll numbers, where 70-30 would be a massive blow out. This is a 30% chance of winning for Trump, closer to a coin flip than a sure thing.

      A lot of other models were saying something ridiculous like Clinton had 95% chance to win or something. Nate Silver’s model seems better than others based on this, if anything.

      • commandar@lemmy.world
        11·
        2 months ago

        A lot of other models were saying something ridiculous like Clinton had 95% chance to win or something. Nate Silver’s model seems better than others based on this, if anything.

        The constant attacks on how 538’s model performed in 2016 says more about statistics literacy than it does about the model.

        There is plenty to criticize Nate Silver for. Take your pick. Personally, the political nihilism that’s increasingly flirted with “anti-woke” sentiment is good enough for me. Some people might prefer taking issue with the degenerate gambling. The guy has pumped out plenty of really dumb hot takes over the years, so you have your options.

        But his models, historically, have performed relatively well if you understand that they’re models and not absolute predictors.

        • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 months ago

          People forget that Clinton lost because of Comey’s October revelation that the FBI was reopening the investigation into her emails.

        • showmeyourkizinti@startrek.website
          1·
          2 months ago

          I agree with your take on the old 538 model, but if you read Nate’s new substack it become pretty clear that he’s been ‘captured’. Almost all of his post seem to fairly anti-Harris in their biases and it feels like all of his writings are really meant for one person, that person being the owner of Polymarket who he has a very large consulting contract. What these biases are doing to the Model I don’t know but the new model at 538 which was built from the ground up by other statisticians consistently trends about 10-20% higher odds for Harris taking the election.

        • takeda@lemmy.world
          1·
          2 months ago

          Looking at the historical election wins where president with lower popular vote won, trump clearly is outlier and either had outrageous luck (I doubt it) or help to push things just enough to get enough EC votes.

          Of course this help, that he got in 2016 he still is getting right now so we should still assume odds will be in his favor and make won’t get suspended and vote (the more people vote, the harder is to artificially affect the results).

      • mkwt@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 months ago

        I think Silver. Nate left FiveThirtyEight and now the site doesn’t even publish any kind of predictive model.

  • Zerlyna@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    2 months ago

    I keep trying to reframe it to people that I am happy to spend an extra $2 on a tank of gas if it means not having a convicted rapist who sows division and hate as a role model for my 12 year old niece.

    And then add in that I’m an international buyer and can confirm EVERYONE globally is paying more since COVID. And tariffs ARE passed on to the consumer.

    I’ve slowed down my own postings and now responding to my conservative friends political posts, hoping it gets to more of those people.

  • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
    0·
    2 months ago

    I have full confidence she’ll win the votes necessary. I have less confidence in GOP and MAGA operatives not pulling out all the stops to ensure Trump wins on a technicality. They WILL attempt a steal!

      • Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works
        0·
        2 months ago

        No. Per their post, they already have it in their mind that he will “steal” it, so even if it was an absolute landslide and there was no funny business to be heard of, he cheated.

        Now That’s What I Call Democracy™!!! Vol. 47

        You see, there is only ever fraud if your candidate loses.

        P.S. I will not be voting for Trump in the coming election. I just know you will dismiss me as a “MAGAt Ultra Trumpetearista” or whatever other name is popular now for it.